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Watch out for scams!!

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As any of you who have tried to sell an instrument online probably know, there are all sorts of unsavory characters out there looking for an opportunity to take advantage of well-meaning musicians. Some scams are well-known, such as the music instrument theft ring based in Indonesia. Others may look more innocent, as the letters Kerry and I received last week in response to the ad for the Paxman 23L (still up for grabs, by the way!) Two different people contacted us requesting pictures and a final asking price. We wrote them back, and then each of them said they were interested in buying the horn. Person #1 named "Mike" said that he has a client in the USA who owes him $9900. He then asked us to accept a check from this person in the States, to cash it, to keep what we need for the horn, and then send the balance to his "shipping agent" who will pick up the horn.

Person B, named "Ted" (both wrote in poor English as well) claimed to have a colleague in the USA who owes him $10,520. The rest was quite similar, except he asked us to send the balance via Western Union to his shipping agent. He concluded by saying, "Pls i hope you are a honest person and also tell me if i can count on you to send down the balance to the shipper or not (sic)" This is a very common tactic in scams, to put the intended victim on the defensive in order to legitimize their own position.

We wrote back to both of them saying we were suspicious that they were attempting fraud, and of course that was the last we heard from either of them.

Please be very, very cautious when selling an instrument online. I tend to believe that most people act in good faith, but it doesn't hurt to look over your shoulder from time to time. If you have had any similar experiences, please reply to this post and keep the rest of us in the know...


And then there is Ebay...

I have been looking recently to replace my dear and departed Elkhart 8D after it was stolen. I looked around and one of the places that really caught my attention as a buyer was EBay. At anytime they seem to have between 500 and 1,000 horns for sale from various manufacturers. Some old, some new, and all vary in quality and appearance.

The upside to this online marketplace is that one can get a horn for a relatively inexpensive price from a legitimate and honest seller.

The down side is that one can get scammed, and loose big!

Some things that can be looked at when selecting a seller include:

  • Seller's feedback on sales. It is very important to know the difference between a seller's positive feedback on buying items and selling items. Ex: One can buy very small and inexpensive items over time and rack up a large number in their transaction history...on the buyer side. Small numbers of actual sale transaction from an Ebayist can mean much higher risk.
  • If it sounds too good to be true...well; it is! Don't be deceived by ads for brand new instruments in the $200-$400 price range. In most cases, these instruments are very poorly constructed, and intonation is not included...
  • Do not deal with a "blind identity" seller. Make sure you can reach this person and find out their real-world name/contact information. One way to start this process is to ask the seller a question through the Ebay site. Legitimate sellers will generally not have an issue with sharing their identity and contact information in order to sell a quality instrument.
  • Pictures can be worth a thousand words...or dollars if you are mislead. If the EBay ad has blurry or really small pictures, ask the seller for additional pictures. Be specific and explain you need quality photos that show any damaged areas on the horn.
  • Also, make sure you make some kind of arrangements with the seller that include a return if the horn is just "not all that" like and ad claims.
  • Last, I have seen ads out there that lead me to believe certain horns may be of such quality that no price is enough. It is how the horn plays that is important. Not the words in the ads...and you can only tell this after receiving shipment.

Happy bidding!